Chatter and Jabber thread – like the Movable Feast Cafe
Many people have referred to CAF lately. This is her, with Jemma and one needs to listen to her almost throw-away comments. We of course now see more clearly what the current US junta is up to. If you need a slavery system, you need slaves and those are probably the poor people that are walking into the US now. If you need a world wide army, you need a world wide economy. And we see this now into Syria yet again and into the Ukraine.
For those that did not see it :
A lot of fun. Clare Daly & Mick Wallace on the European Union and their adventures (break-in) on Shannon airport being used as a military base. Some people just need to be admired a bit. These two put the behavior of the US military on trial, as well as the hypocrisy of Ireland in supporting these activities.
That first short speech of Clare is just excellent.
Pepe Escobar’s new book, Raging Twenties, is out now.
Thanks I got in with a new password updated which I made meaningful enough not to forget and unique enough so that I can store it in something called “Safari passwords preferences” and not worry about its usefulness to hackers.
It is time, agreed, that we go deeper as we continue create a community of folks who resonate in harmonic symphony. It is said that the angels sing everyday and thus keep the physical word
intact… I call it the hum or the buzz but NOT ( can we use capitals when appropriate?) the hive mind. Anyway, over the last year I have lost two friendships perhaps due to my lack of adroitness or perhaps lack of perspicacity when I make someone a friend or, to be less harsh, perhaps it is the time when as CAF says, you find your tribe—highly necessary for survival on all levels in the future.
I hope this thread idea of yours will become a tribe of sorts so that if in the belly of the beast some of us must become the prophets crying out in the wilderness, that we feel a hyper dimensional connection as well as an inner dimensional connection to a core of love and support. The Ioan story was the test of that and a successful one at that.
Anyway, just a proviso here…if I get out of hand ( too intense, too intense) and I do not intend that, please chide me… I promise not to sulk more than the time out that I will probably give myself.
Hey Amarynth, Pamela, Teranam!
Random comment that might have been in another Cafe five years ago:
1) Hypothesis: Anonymous comments sections (without any verification from even an online name attached to some kind of account or IP address) have been a boon for the spooks (private and public, funded by either corporations or governments via our/your tax $$$), under the veil of anonymity and “free speech”… of course free speech is crucial. But this boon has been the bane of civility everywhere anonymous comments are allowed (YouTube comments sections are a good example).
2: Perhaps another word for “bot” or “troll”… someone who is paid to spread disinfo online under an anonymous YouTube account is not a bot technically speaking, nor a “troll” as the term was understood twenty plus years ago on Usenet… would be useful? Something short and to the point. Hmmm.
Cheers to all, IEUSA
A little technical hell that has raised its head for me. All the pics on the site everywhere has gone loco. I cannot add any, all the ones on the old ioan thread has disappeared and something is wrong.
Working on it.
Also, to make reliable posters unmoderated seems to have a wiggle on this part of the site (BBPress) and on the WordPress part of the site (postings). So, Sunday bloody Sunday – It will get fixed. And I’m gasping for color and beautiful things.
Hi Amarynth and Pamela,
I’m not sure yet how the posting will work between the mainstream Cafe and this Jabberwocky post site!!! I want to speak about something that requires some delicacy and respect so I choose to put it here:
The concept of “the Rapture” in Western Zionist-based Christianity is one that I am confronting everyday as I am working more and more with Christians. The concept is flawed because:
1. it seems to foster a certain elitism or defeatism among those who shrug their shoulders and say,”Well, it is end times so I am waiting for Jesus..:”
2. it lays the basis for a subconscious belief in those less dogmatic as to the physical end of the world being a good thing, part of the plan etc. etc.
3. it seems counter-intuitive considering Christ’s love of humanity and the idea that was embodied most endearingly in the movement in the 1990’s of WWJD…Teenagers wore bracelets–“What Would Jesus Do?” and were earnestly discussing life situations ( yes, believe it) making moral decisions, and contemplating what this meant for their future.
It seems clear to me that WWJD when confronted with “the rapture” would be to refuse it and to stay with suffering humanity. When I mentioned to a hardline Christian that the whole rapture concept to me seemed anti-christian, she was stunned. So I figured, I might as well delve into the Book of Revelations a bit. ( new eyes and all that) … I found in Revelations 6 in my Peshitta based translation that right after the 5th seal is broken there is the martyrdom of those who refuse to bow to the Beast and their cries are heeded by heaven so? evidently there is a need for people who see Christ as their example of how to live life to stick around after the so-called rapture.
If figure if I have to form alliances with the few functioning people around who also happen to have what I consider to be wonky beliefs, then I’d better understand them. Most of them have rushed out to get the mRNA vaccines. One lady wants me to hear the sermons of her minister but I told her to tell me if he has consented to take the vaccine. ( I am assuming that he won’t lie to her). I don’t need to agree with someone in order to listen his views, but there needs to be a stand on principles for me to even bother engaging with them.
These are tough times and the mind control is strong so that one must be careful mindful of energy drains and wasted minutes. Any suggestions?
Terranam13 – OK, so I grew up in the specific religion and have some things to say. Just – let me say them tomorrow, as I am still in tech hell on the imaging on the site. I’ve just handed it over to our ‘little’ tech support. Mañana mí amiga .. porfa. Muy cansada (which means tomorrow my friend, please, as now, I’m a little crisp round the edges).
Ok, slowly coming to grips with the small tech problems. It is to be expected.
So, to the evangelical Christian folks. I grew up there, and know the doctrines well. They also threw me out at the age of 16, for asking questions. It is almost unknown for this to happen, but we were in a small local church.
So, the concept of the rapture which was given wings with that series of novels – Left Behind –
I find myself in terms of dogma, or teaching, following the Orthodox teachings. For them, the concept of Rapture is completely different and it may be worth while to scour around for some good material for understanding.
In terms of finding oneself in a tribe made up of evangelicals or similar, personally I cannot do it. I speak personally. Long time ago I had to make the decision with my mom .. do I argue with her, or do I just accept her and talk with her about her beliefs and not criticize. Because I understand the teachings, it was easy to just talk with her and accept her. It was bedrock for her, and I could not take bedrock out from under her feet. Till today she is awaiting the rapture.
This is to my mind, much of an escapism mechanism.
Then there was this woman (and I’ve seen this so many times in my life) that belonged to a group that ‘figured out the code’, of course they were double plus blessed by the Almighty and they absolutely knew the time and date that the rapture would happen. She started printing up informational material and handed this out everywhere. Her, I had to stop and I asked her not to do that in my group. She, as is usual with the folks, started earnestly praying for me for ‘God to open my eyes.’ Needless to say, there was no tribe there and the day and the date has come and gone and they probably have a new day and date now .. I don’t know.
So, for me it would be knowing when to speak, and when to be quiet, when to accept, and when to hold ground because this teaching is bedrock and I don’t want a bunch praying for me so that ‘God can open my eyes’ and I believe in the inherent goodness of God. So, with my mom, that is what I focused on and we are tribe. My sister got it early on, and followed my lead. Here is a funny. One day my sister and I started talking right across the whole landscape, the Hindu Gods, other Gods, and just talking. My mom listened in amazement and eventually asked: “How many Gods do you have then?”. Of course we could put her mind at rest, and say – Only One, but the ineffable may be presented differently to different people and that is not our problem. That is God’s problem. And that is how we solved that one.
If you are in teaching differences a good answer always is in this sphere: “I have handed that one over to the Lord to give me guidance.” In this way, one can tribe, I would think.
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Hi T13, I know you addressed this to Pamela and Amaynth so please forgive my intrusion
I’ve read the entire NT – and had certain mystical experiences – too many to share here. In Revelations the Jews are supposed to convert in the end of days. So it seems to me that Christian Zionists haven’t read their texts or they’ve read different (edited) texts e.g. I hear a lot about the Schofield Bible
Re: Evangelicals (aka Pentecostals , ‘happy clappers’ they pray for Armageddon so they can be vindicated – as much as I can understand them. Their interpretation of the “end of the world” is in error, as it says “the end of the world as we know it” – the word ‘know’ referring to consciousness, but they think of it as being a physical event
The danger here of course is that given that thoughts are energy, if a critical mass of humans believe in a certain outcome – it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy – they actually will it to happen
Its hard not to think of evangelicals./ Pentecostalists as members of a death cult – the exact antithesis of what the teachings were supposedly for, i.e. to put human beings in touch with a direct experience of The Divine – however we conceive that to be, as in:
“Your hope of glory, the Christ within ye” Col 1:27 [my emphasis]
This is what the mystics down thru the millennia have experienced and written about e.g. St John of The Cross, Theresa of Avila, Catherine of Sienna, et. al.
Tyson, there are many sectarian differences. I mean, there is the bunch that look forward and would even do things to supposedly bring forward Armageddon. The specific movement, The Family, who are the people in the US that arrange the National Prayer Breakfast are intent that everything is allowed, if you are on the side of God – and God wants you to have everything and if you need to kill a few, well, that is just dandy, as you’re doing God’s will. These are the political ones and they are truly dangerous and I find them scary. Find a series (Netflix I think), called The Family. Then there are the prosperity religions with the mega churches and mega rich preachers, someone like a preacherman called Creflo Dollar. These ones all preach and make teaching that is to their own benefit.
But there also are the ones that are just simply into their teachings, and are not bad people. Luckily that was my family and how I grew up. These people are a little naive if I look back on it. But I learned the scriptures back to front, we had good good music and musical skill was encouraged, picnics, youth church and truly, more fun than hardship. But, trying to talk about anything else but the accepted dogma will soon get you being ‘earnestly prayed for’. There are good people everywhere.
Thanks for the comments, all. The level of insanity in the USA is growing with the gradual realization that the horror story we are all in is not going to end soon. This is not the 1960’s with the Ban the Bomb movement being prominent—times are much darker. And people are not thinking at all clearly . Remember the Q factor on this site that some clung to so fiercely. The fear factors are different. The manipulation is more insidious. It is a simple concept, Rapture , after all it could happen when Jesus comes back to judge the living and the dead, right?. But concomitant to a pre-Tribulation “Rapture” idea on the religious front is ion secular level the idea that there are too many people on the planet for survival and some have to go one way or another i.e. the Great Culling of Humanity.
These are much different ideas floating around so openly from what was discussed in the 1970’s, 1980’s, 1990’s culture. The key which unites the secular elitist idea with the religious elitist idea is that no one who pushes either one thinks that they will be included among either the ” useless eaters” or the “non-saints”–everyone plans on being a winner. As society starts to polarize and unravel, I see secular apocalyptic thinking as well as religious apocalyptic ideas come to the fore not as cute, quirky side beliefs to which people cling for comfort but rather as center obsessions which are projected onto the immediate future. And ultimately these ideas carry the subliminal message: “We are all in this together—not”.
amarynth – did you get my two emails from yesterday??
I did put two more up, one got the “awaiting moderation ” tag and vanished. and the second got a “this message is spam” tag and vanished.
Wont try again till I hear from you that all is solved – must be driving you crazy. !!
Aaah, sorry Pamela, I took everything out of purgatory and all should be posted.
I forgot to reply to you on account of the boss wanted to do some work which caused some craziness. Let me restate, the boss wanted me to do some work hahaaaa ….
I’ll soon find clear time to solve this problem. In the mean time, I do find them.
Yes, there is an alignment of secular and religious apocalyptic ideas in the USA and I am dealing with this phenomenon because the people around me are considering these as metaphors for the future. Otherwise, reading Revelations straight off would make any sane/compassionate person turn to Buddhism immediately.
OK .. in the early AM today I had an experience while transitioning from deep sleep which would, if I confided to a shrink, get me on meds immediately. It was fine…I was protected and it passed very quickly. They say when you are over the target, you get the flack so.?… I used to say the 91st psalm upon arising, but I hear tell that before sleep is the most efficacious time to read it. Michael Heiser says that a certain passage of protection in psalm 91 has the names of demons known to the ancient Israelites embedded in the words ….since I have been saying the psalm in Hebrew maybe I ought to look into this. Sound does resonate….
This whole” Rapture Op” came out of Scotland in the 1820’s so that is a 200 year set up for the dark forces to wend their way into the discussions via the evangelicals and then throughout all of Western Christian religious eschatological thought. Just saying…it isn’t the Book of Revelations per se that is the problem because there are multilevel of understanding depending if one is permitted access but rather this particular “spin” on it. The forces of opposition are not going to give up without a fight and since they do inhabit the realm beyond time and space…they have the wherewithal to plan a 200 year operation. just saying.
Yeah, I know this sounds wacky…especially to me most of all. Evangelical Generals with NWO atheists over them in the political sphere…..? not a propitious mix.
Its just so the wrong time to talk to shrinks – I don’t even joke about those these days. Its bad. That is one segment of the world to be avoided in this current time.
No, I don’t think it is wacky simply from the perspective that the evil one would use whatever is appropriate at the time, and we are ‘under the influence’ of the Church of Wokianism.
Most things are bifurcating. As we see our world bifurcate, so will we see a similar process in our lives – and that is why CAF says to get rid of everyone or everything that does not have value in one’s life today.
I left you something about Revelations in the thread about the two friars. We’re probably beginning to see the unseen domain, that was either hidden, or we just did not see it. Its not specifically appropriate, but what makes it valuable is to see how something like Revelations could be valid in different spheres. It is decidedly not linear.
This is a Western Christian scholar being very careful in his discussion of “The Rapture”.
For sure, fractals but also resonances which is why the Forces of Opposition have managed to ban singing in Churches now open!!! Psalms were meant to be sung. The Word…Opening the heart in song. It is hard to quibble with someone you are singing with in congregation/community.
CAF mentioned the sign of the Beast in her Market report with John Titus this week so, yes, there are clear resonances from 325AD. The forces of Opposition have no creativity of the Word which is why they want us typing away in silence at home behind our masks. They can only mess with the Word. and words in general. Also, it is clear that the mRNA is a mark of the beast. It has aborted fetal cells which should tip off the discerning Christian pastor, you think? to begin with…That is easy Mark of the Beast 101, but I digress into polemic. sigh.
This all ties into an incarnation pattern in my family of people who believed that the physical word is the source of temptation and is to be shunned. I finally figured out why both my mother and my daughter really don’t want to be incarnated–actually, their insanity is a repressed and twisted spiritual impulse.
The Global Reset Demons really want to eliminate the physical and they want to inhabit electrical/magnetic realms as Avatars and present this as fun which is why they are poisoning the earth, teaching kids to hate their bodies and basically eliminated those of us who cannot handle increasing levels of EMF’s ( about 60-80% have either acute or mostly chronic conditions based on EMF exposure from what I can figure). Oh, and they push drugs–low level ones for the masses and macrodosing for the elite. Well, my daughter inhabits schizophrenic world where she chats with entities and my mother eschewed mature creativity by getting everyone to take care of her so she did not have to function more than minimally. She did pop us all out for which I am grateful.
The elite lie when they say they care about the Planet…They want to squeeze every last resource from it in order to go off planet.
The physical world is Holy…and it is our job to make it more evident. The last time volcanos started erupting in Iceland, planes were grounded in Europe and looks like Japan is on tsunami alert. Oh, but it is global warming…must be the Russians!! sigh, see “They” even have been doing it ( LOL).
Much to think about. And I’ve received this but have not completed the reading. There is much that I can quibble about but much also that gives a mind context for thinking. Dunno, handing it over without too much comment – huge, long and 3 sections and still actively being updated.
Thanks for the reply, Amaerynth. The Steiner predictions on how the forces of electromagnetism were going to subvert the planet plus their discussion on why got me going on this route. Then trying to find some active ground on which to deal with people other than “being nice”. Whaaa? Then what happened with the hate-filled entity upon arising the other day. Actually, it disappeared when I questioned if its hate and my anger-hate were reflections of one another—it was a confusing moment, ” Is this me or is this That Thing?” ( I did owe someone an apology actually which I made the next day and that also was part of the jumble of the moment ). And the separation was there…it is a barrier and it is very, very thin. the metaphor of the hair works, I think.
So I plan a study of The Book of Revelations which is scholarly…with no end time systems. It will be the role of the Old Testament in the Book of Revelations…What does the author cite, what he does with it and why? We will stay in the 1st century and in the mind of a first century Jewish-Christian. So I may check in here once and awhile but mainly will be taking a
It took me a few days to catch up to the study group ( online) recordings on the Book of Revelations. We are on Book 5 this week–the study moves slowly because it is so scholarly, exhaustively so, but I now have a theological understanding the pre-tribulation Rapture folks’ position. Evidently John of Patmos stops referring to the church ( Gr. ecklesios?) after rev. 3 and starts to
use another word ( Hageoi-the saints) exclusively to mean, it seems, the body of believers. That and some sounding of trumpets at the Rev4 Heavenly Court scene is enough for them!!! We are out of here!!!!–they say. Well, at that point John is beginning to move on to a wider scene, after all, and if there is to be a judgement, there has to be a leveling of charges–“a reev”
It is very interesting…the allusions to Torah passages I know but the Ezekiel,Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah metaphors are more unfamiliar to me .
As for news in our world at this point in time: Evidently on 3/21 Putin had a rally in Moscow during which he spoke about the Ukraine.After what the deep state USA did via Biden, it should be clear to every Russian that it is time to gird up for “the drill”. This weekend will be one of those energetic nexus in time, it appears, for war on the planet. Let’s see where the pressure blows.
Back in 2014 it was easy to get fairly up-to-date news on the Donbass situation via YouTube search. Now the algos make searches for anything much harder. I’m familiar with SouthFront, Stalkerzone, Telekanal Zvezda, and the channels linked on Saker; however if anyone knows of interesting Telegram channels or Vloggers reporting from the area, please share them. (I’ll have to look around VK too…) If I find anything good I’ll post it here. It may be a little harder than usual to find such programs via the Big Tech censors in a few weeks.
I’m not keeping up with everything, but from the Russian Mission OSCE this morning
#Lukashevich: #Ukraine should stop sabotaging coordination mechanism for responding to ceasefire violations through the facilitation of the JCCC in its current setting, i.e. consisting of representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk – as they have agreed in TCG pic.twitter.com/1CTSa8BrRb
— Russian Mission OSCE (@RF_OSCE) March 30, 2021
An update, I worked through how I set the settings here and why sometimes people go into moderation and sometimes not. Its complex, but for the moment we live like that. I cannot tell you how it is set and when what happens, because then I’ll be telling the spammers and scammers too. And just lately we’ve had a few of those and they were all blocked and I could blacklist them.
So, I’ll keep it notched up for this moment and not to worry, I’ll find everything and post it.
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